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Post #1  Post subject: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:55 pm 
I took a peek at CNN this mornin' to see what the Fake News media is up to. Same ole antiTrump antiAmerican stuff.

The last military parade America had was back in the early 90's and after Trump observed one in France he asked our military about having another one so Americans can pay tribute to them in this rare for America but much deserved way, especially in light of the high profile public disrespect they're gettin' from the NFL and also since we've had troops in harms way every since the war on terror started on 9/11. So our military is supposedly looking at having a parade down Pennsylvania Ave as requested, not ordered, by Trump sometime this year, maybe on July 4th or maybe on Veterans Day Nov 11, and giving Americans a unique opportunity to come together nationwide and show our patriotism and pay tribute to our military. However, it's not a done deal right now that a parade will take place, although you can't tell it by listening to the liberals.

I think honoring our country and military is a good thing anytime whether suggested by a Democrat or a Republican. But CNN? They and their antiAmerican liberal guests are saying Trump wants to turn America into a military state with this parade being a sign of it and we shouldn't have it. Other obstructionist liberals, who won't lift a finger to help fully fund the military and the VA long term, are crying the money for the parade should be used to help vets and not be wasted on this patriotic parade, as are a few Trump hating Republican lawmakers. I think the truth about the liberals stand on this issue, which can be gleaned from their antiAmerican words and actions, is two fold. First Trump suggested the parade and they despise Trump and want to run him out of office any way they can and two they no longer have much if any patriotism or respect left for our country and our military. They can say all day that they do and that they are the most patriotic Americans that have ever been, but their antiAmerica obstructionist actions speak way louder than all the words they could ever speak.

As Americans we are all big fans of freedom of speech. But speech from our media that's designed to bring down a duly elected President any way they can bring him down even if it means destroying our democracy in the process, steps way over the line of freedom of speech and it's time we step in and say whoa!!! We the people can't holler fire in a crowded theater and the Media, liberal and conservative, shouldn't be allowed to publicly take sides and holler fire either when reporting the news 24/7 to millions of people, which is the biggest reason our country is so dangerously divided and why they and their liberal friends have our democracy teetering on the edge of implosion. I think it's imperative that we do whatever it takes to stop liberals from misusing freedom of speech as it was intended to be used under our Constitution as a way for them to advance their antiAmerican agenda. There's a world of Constitutional difference between criticizing and opposing our government's policies and resisting and obstructing it in ways that put our very democracy at risk....

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Post #2  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:37 pm 
Right after the election I had a lot of fun with my college kid friends telling them that "the sliver lining of the next 8 years of Trump" would be that they would get fed up with the constant media circus and they'd turn off their Tv's and go out side. Maybe we're on track for that. I remember a old storybook from when I was growing up. There was this young fella who had to spend the night up in a tree because tigers were circling his tree waiting to eat him when he came down. In the morning they'd all turned into butter. I guess most of those kid friends have never heard that story cause it's way "not PC"

These days I turn an old 60s saying from Dr Timothy Leary around. "Tune out, Turn off, go outside" If I'm walking in the woods, sitting under a tree or watching a bobber float, politics is the furtherest thing from my mind


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Post #3  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:25 pm 
:hesaid: Got to agree. The less network propaganda I watch the better I feel about things. Being outside is a lot more productive.


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Post #4  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:02 pm 
To each his own guys.....

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Post #5  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:46 am 
Well IMO it is like this. My disagreement with CNN MSNBC and all the others will not change their ranting against Trump and conservative values. I do not need the aggravation caused by their lying and constant provocation. So I ignore them. They are determined to turn this country into a socialist liberal quagmire where anything goes the more immoral the better in their opinions. So I don't and won't watch it.
I can go outside, split firewood or go get another load or go to the range and shoot or rake leaves or just sit on the front porch and watch my dog scratch. That is all more productive than watching TV in any form. If it weren't for my wife I would have the satellite dish turned off.


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Post #6  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:51 am 
I do agree that a parade is a great way to honor those who have served and that it is way over due. I like the idea. I know how my slightly older friends were treated when they returned from serving in Vietnam and want this younger generations experience to be different

Reading WW's 3 paragraph I see that he calls for more engagement opposing the media /liberal conspiracy not less. I would agree that we cant totally disconnect and act like its not going on. I live in a not-so little anymore college town. Its too easy to get immersed in the kerfluffle and loose a lot of time to it. I regard so much of the medias constant hollering as a tempest in the tea pot and dont take it seriously. anyone under 30 something I dont take too seriously either


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Post #7  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:30 pm 
I suppose a parade is OK but I think we would be better off straightening out the VA. There should be no need for private concerns like Wounded Warrior. Combat veterans in general and most especially wounded ones both physically and mentally deserve all this country can and should do for them. All to often this is not the case as shown by the need for private programs. All veterans deserve a lot more than a parade.


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Post #8  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:50 pm 
I think a parade is nothing more than show an tell.

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Post #9  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:14 pm 
I take offense when I hear Americans come out against this parade and I'm saddened at the same time because it reminds me of the way Americans acted towards vets after Vietnam. But I'm not surprised because patriotism has really taken a nose dive in this country. And in my mind that's the number one reason why socialists and liberals are winning their battle to destroy our freedoms, values, and Democracy then rebuild them all in their own image.

The cost of this parade will pale when compared to what our politicians waste on themselves and it hands down won't compare to how much their service to us has cost our vets domestically and in lives and limbs lost. And I don't care that only 3rd world countries have military parades, which isn't true anyway. And I damned sure don't care whether socialists or liberals want this parade or not.

America needs this parade. We need not only it, we need all the local and nationwide patriotic events we can muster right now to try to spawn a new long lasting wave of vocal American patriotism. Because a strong overwhelming show of patriotism is the only bloodless defense we have against all these domestic threats comin' from socialists and liberals, and even comin' from Congress itself right now with their unwillingness to protect our borders, culture, and sovereignty.

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Post #10  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:39 pm 
Agree totally. I feel like they should spend more time taking care of veterans. These are people they have paid price for our freedom.

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Post #11  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:01 am 
I think maybe we just won a war that I didn't hear about? Is that what this is about? Maybe we have such a surplus in the budget that has to be used up or lose it or something Im use to that sort of thing having worked for the state before. That must be it, a surplus in the operating budget. No? Then maybe we are becoming a Totalitarian state like the Soviet Union, or North Korea, China maybe, maybe not that radical maybe something more like Cuba when Castro was in his prime. That must be it. Totalitarianism demands this sort of thing, and people better line up to watch it or else. You better agree with it or else, or else your be labeled by the Trump cant do no wrong folks.
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a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.
"democratic countries were fighting against totalitarianism"

That is the kind of Countries that parade the military down main street, that is not us folks no matter how some people are going to try and spin it, don't pee down my back and tell me its raining. Many many retired Generals have come out against this, and for good reasons research it yourself. Acting Generals can't come out against it or they would, but they are working for the "Your Fired" commander. Commander, Dictator what have you. This parade isn't about honoring the Vets and the actives. If we want to honor Vets why not feed them, house the homeless ones, give them good health care, no folks its not about the Vets, the actives, its not even about the military its about stroking the ego of the commander in chief and that's it.


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Post #12  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:16 am 
Just a little info that tended to impact my opinion.
Here's one old generals take on it.
When asked if the United States should have a military parade, this was then President Eisenhower's response. "Absolutely not period We are the pre-eminent power on Earth. For us to try and imitate what the Soviets are doing in Red Square would make us look weak"

here is general Paul Eaton, retired.
http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2018/02/ ... paul-eaton

here is Retired Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... t-culture/

Who reads the Military Times? Not me, most people that do are in the Military of course. They asked their readers to participate in a poll, and 89% said no to Trumps Military Parade, that's right 9 out of 10 don't think its a good idea.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your ... no-parade/


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:56 am 
That link to The Military Times will get you to a page that also has an article about the M14 that is good reading.


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Post #14  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:02 pm 
What has winning a friggin' war got to do with anything Hip or anybody else?????????? How about just a friggin' tribute to our country and our military without all the unpatriotic bullshit? Even if we had just lost a war how about a tribute to our military for trying, while we all sat at home playing on our friggin' cellphones and computers and sleepin' in our own nice warm beds up out of the mud and the blood?

We had our last parade in 1991 and our country didn't implode and the friggin' world didn't end. And to hell with what Russia or North Korea or China or any of those dictatorial countries do. They do parades for a completely different reason than we do parades. They do them to try to intimidate the world and their own people while we, and other western countries, do them simply out of a sense of patriotism to honor our country and our military. So the Russia deal is a dead on arrival bullshit argument with me. And Eisenhower, as great an American as he was, lived at the height of American patriotism and didn't live in the dangerous domestic times we're living in today with some of our own people thumbing their noses at patriotism while others are desperately trying to destroy our democracy from within. Such a patriotic country loving man as Eisenhower wouldn't have hesitated today to fight to rid this country of the liberal threat it faces. I can't speak to the Generals you quoted Hip except to say they sound like shithole liberals with a loose screw who hate Trump, which would automatically disqualify them in any meaningful discussion about patriotic parades. All this bullshit talk about whether or not to honor our country and our military with a parade is just that no matter who it comes from, bullshit.

Patriotism isn't about liberals or conservatives or Democrats or Republicans and don't anybody let liberals convince you otherwise. Patriotism is simply a show of love for our country. And the level of our patriotism has never been measured by our politics but by how far we are willing to go as individuals to stand up for our country, not our government but our country. Some of us go into the military out of love for country while the rest stay home in a much needed support role and wave flags and honor our country and our vets every damn chance they get out of their love of country. Each just as patriotic as the other. But liberals and the liberal media have been so successful in tearing down our country the last couple of years it appears they have succeeded in inserting politics even into our patriotism. But that won't fly by me because I'm still an old school patriotic American vet who hasn't fell for any of the unAmerican bullshit tactics of modern day liberals like some conservatives apparently have. A person is either patriotic and supports a patriotic parade to honor our country and vets or they aren't patriotic enough to support it. There's no middle ground for me when it comes to patriotism and I give no American a pass when it comes to honoring our country and our vets with a parade or any other way. That's why I totally loathe the unpatriotic disrespect the NFL shows for our country and vets.

People who absolutely don't like havin' a parade can keep their unpatriotic asses the hell out of the way while patriotic Americans shoot our fireworks and wave our flags and teach our kids to honor their country and their vets so hopefully they themselves will grow up with a strong sense of patriotism and love for America that will help them keep their America strong and free, in case we do wake up before it's too late and leave them an America to love.

This parade deal is simply yet another dangerous bullshit argument stirred up by the left to try to divide conservatives on this issue making it easier for them to achieve their goal on other issues as they work towards achieving their main goal of destroying our American culture and democracy and our freedom to choose. Don't believe me? Then go ahead and drink a little of their koolaid on this parade deal and see how long it is before they come back wantin' you to drink a little more of their unAmerican koolaid on some other deal. We've already drank so much of their friggin' koolaid now instead of standin' up and stoppin' them that they've got our country about ready to implode on us... We drink much more of it and continue lettin' them divide us and weaken our patriotism and democracy and that's exactly what's gonna happen.... :mad: :mad:

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Post #15  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:49 pm 
Yep the leftist will be opposed to anything that might have a slight hint of patriotism or conservative value attached to it. The arguments against I have seen on You Tube by Schumer and others of similar beliefs are sickening.
Now if the proposal was for parades in every major city to celebrate perverse sexual practices, illegal immigrants or the muslims they would be all over that crap.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:23 am 
So the thousands and thousands and thousands of brave soldiers ex soldiers that think the parade is a bad idea are just not patriotic....ok. The parade has nothing to do with what you speak of but it's all about a show for the president to sit and watch but ok spinning it.


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Post #17  Post subject: Re: Possible Upcoming Military Parade
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:35 pm 
If it wasn't Trump proposing this parade there wouldn't be a handful of vets or anybody else against it, including you Hip. And that ain't no spin and you know it's not. I have no doubt that most all the soldiers you speak of are Trump hatin' conservatives and liberals or either draftees who served against their will, with the huge majority being liberals. But don't waste your time finding a few cases of conservative vets who hate Trump or who oppose this parade to throw back at me, because that's just more apples and oranges in an issue that's way way larger than just a few apples and oranges. I get it that there are a few conservatives who oppose this parade.

You think it makes me feel good calling other Americans unpatriotic, even fellow vets? Well it doesn't, but it's necessary because that's what they are when they put their hate and/or their politics or anything else besides their God and their families before their loyalty and patriotism to their country and our military. Trump IS NOT our country. He's only a temporary president of our country. This parade IS NOT to pay tribute to him or to any other conservatives. His reasons for the parade, whatever they may be, is of no consequence except that socialists and liberals are trying to make them a consequence with accusations about his reasons when his reason's are immaterial in the first place. But for liberals or conservatives to oppose it on any grounds is indeed unpatriotic no different than when people take an unpatriotic disrespectful knee for our national anthem. We can all disagree about the need to have this parade but to vehemently oppose it on political grounds and/or just because someone hates the president is totally unpatriotic and dangerous to the long term health of our democracy.

For years and years America has spent probably billions of dollars a year of tax payer money on liberal supported illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities and states, and lord knows how many more liberal causes. And now liberals and their leaders are opposed to America spending a measly one time $8 million dollars on a rarer than rare parade so Americans can pay an overdue patriotic tribute to them? A military who since their last parade way back in 1991 have been steadily deployed fighting and dying to keep terrorists off our streets and out of our homes? And they don't even deserve a parade? Really? WOW!!!!

Liberal opposition to this parade shows how embolden we have allowed them to become in our country and it shows the real danger they pose to American patriotism which is the only glue that holds us all together as a country and the only fuel that keeps our American democracy up and running and our freedoms intact no matter what party is in power and no matter who our president is at any given moment in time. Socialism and progressive liberalism are cancers on any free democratic society like our own and if we don't remove them from our politics and do it soon, their cancer is gonna spread even further and become fatal not only to our sense of patriotism, but also to our sovereignty, our Constitution, and our democracy and freedoms....... in that order.

America desperately needs this parade and at this time to not only pay tribute to our military but to also help increase the falling level of patriotism in our country that can be directly attributed to our liberal education system and the political apathy of most conservatives in the face of a growing threat to our country from the left.

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