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Post #1  Post subject: War on the poor
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:37 am 
I will never understand Republicans war on the poor. The family values party, the Christian Right. So many of their proposals are not for families or very Christian. On the surface this sounds good, lets get more poor people working out there for their keep, but if you look at the facts, the stats. Like about a third of those on housing assistance are elderly and disabled that just can not work, another third are raising families and cant afford child care that would enable them to leave the home and work, and the remaining third already work, though most at minimum wage jobs, sometimes two of them, this just doesn't make sense. You want to allow them to make more money? Get out in the work force and make a decent wage? Train them, provide education and job skill training...don't just reach into their pockets and take out more money for yourself and your buddies. Like I say I will just never understand. Who even lies in bed at night and think tis stuff up. The money spent on social programs for the poor, the elderly, the disabled all total is but a very very small fraction we spend on tax subsidies for corporations, the military budget, aid to foreign nations, I could go on and on...a very very small fraction. Theres no fat to trim here...move along.
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Post #2  Post subject: Re: War on the poor
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:52 am 
"Train them, provide education and job skill training..." Sounds like a noble cause Hip because it is a noble cause. But Democrats have created generations of welfare Americans who's Mothers and Daddys, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, cousins, and grandparents all grew up on the welfare system and wouldn't work no matter how much training they are given. So getting people off welfare and back in the workforce would take generations to accomplish at this point if it's even possible. We don't have gobs of jobs anymore that need a whole lot of pre-training or higher education so anybody who really wants to work can. We just need Americans who want to, and need to, work. I just read yesterday that we now have more job opening than we have Americans to fill them. But getin' the millions of Americans off the Democrats ingrained welfare system would be a complicated and long drawn out struggle and one I doubt will ever be accomplished at this late date no matter how many training and education programs are started.

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Post #3  Post subject: Re: War on the poor
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:17 am 
:hesaid: We have got to break the cycle of welfare dependence. No one including Republicans and real conservatives is suggesting that the truly disabled and elderly be forced to work. However the generations who have lived on welfare and spent their time breeding more welfare sponges I have very little sympathy for their situation. They literally screwed themselves into that predicament. We have got to stop paying people to sit around and have kids when they are able bodied. It won't happen overnight or even in a generation but it is unsustainable. Democrats were the party of the slave masters and they still are. They enslave the gullible with their votes promising much and delivering nothing.


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Post #4  Post subject: Re: War on the poor
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:46 am 
You guys are looking at this all wrong. While they may be nonproductive they add to the the economic value of this country.

Landlords profit off title 9 housing.
Grocery and convenient stores profit of EBT. Heck you can even buy your hunting and fishing licenses with EBT card.
Wick program helps farmers sell their goods.
Cellular companies profit from free phone program.
Emergency rooms get much needed training.
Double the amount of police jobs are created.
Private prison systems are making millions.
The tobacco and alcohol industries profit.
The list goes on and on.


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Post #5  Post subject: Re: War on the poor
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:39 pm 
I personally know families that are 3d and 4th generation who's only career path is: welfare, government programs, baby making for more $$$, enroll every kid on ADHD for additional $$$, if offered a job only will work for cash so it won't reduce government checks and they are teaching the 4th and 5th generations how to milk the government teat.

I also know folks who made a lot more money per year than I ever did who never put a cent back for retirement, never had insurance, lived for the minute and always drove new vehicles, took high dollar vacations and never prepared for the future in anyway. I don't feel sorry for them now, I don't want them to starve and go homeless, but I chafe at these same folks bitch'n that the government should take care of their every want and need now.

I'm all for helping people who need a hand and who are in dire straights because of situations beyond their control, but entitlements from the government were never supposed to be a lifetime way of life and career. "Folks have got to take some responsibility for their own lives."

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Post #6  Post subject: Re: War on the poor
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:08 am 
Here's an interesting factoid, Countries that have made serious efforts to end poverty, to pay every citizen that is able to work a living wage and free health care have reduced crime rates ten fold. Poverty feeds crime, people are gonna get theirs one way or another when denied because of lack of resources, lack of education, lack of morals even. The Netherlands just recently closed 19 large prison facilities because of lack of inmates to house there. Now that's a problem I would love to see us have, prison staff layoffs, shut downs. It doesn't happen overnight. A thug doesn't stop being a thug when you give him a living wage, but over a couple generations it will have a dramatic effect, his grandchild wont be a thug. Like I said it doesn't happen over night but there is a path to follow for success, it has been demonstrated elsewhere. But we have decided already we wont go down that path. The first two items I mentioned, a living wage and free health care, we cant seem to get past the first milestone here in the US. We're not serious about ending poverty, who would the upper class have to look down on, to blame all their woes on? And Like I always say, follow the money Y Hunt is hitting the nail dead on the head that's not really sarcasm there....


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Post #7  Post subject: Re: War on the poor
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:29 pm 
Here is a real fact. Poverty has always been present. It always will be. The real war in this country and all socialist societies is on the middle class. Work like crazy and have the gubbermint rob it from you in the name of the common good. BS
Only a liberal can see any good in paying the able bodied to sit around all day. No crime yeah right HA HA


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