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Post #1  Post subject: StLouis protests
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:37 am 
They are still protesting in StLouis, all the day time protests have gone off without a hitch. Peaceful protest, people practicing their constitutional right to peacefully assemble. Night time protests are a different story, there are a few bad apples, these are not protesters, these are vandals, criminals, and should be treated that way. These protests are in response to another shooting of a unarmed black and the police officer getting a not guilty verdict by a judge. Basically they are protesting the way the police treat people, especially people of color. And what better example do we have than the way the police treat people during these protests? They beat up and bloodied one of there own by mistake, he was working undercover. A military officer that lived on the street there stepped out of his residence and was brutally arrested. many people roughed up, kicked until they passed out, tazered or maced, all AFTER they were restrained with handcuffed or wire ties. The other night the Police were provoking the protesters with chants of "Who's Streets? Our Streets" The police coral people up, don't let them go or give them an out and yell at them to disperse, but they are not given anywhere to go or a way to exit the area. Then the police move in with clubs and pepper spray. I have relatives and friends in StLouis, I have talked to some of them. Its not pretty what is happening in my home town. I have a nephew that was up there for a Cards game, he was trapped in his hotel the police wouldn't let him step out on the street even, none of the hotel guests were allowed to leave the hotel, basically being kept inside against there will. The hotel management were helpless to intervene. He wasted his tickets to the game, the hotel staff felt bad for their guests and offered them all free room service all night long.

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Post #2  Post subject: Re: StLouis protests
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:03 am 
It's pretty common for people who are arrested to claim they did absolutely nothing wrong. But police officers in fast moving violent and volatile situations don't have time to psychoanalyze each and every incident they're involved in and yes that sometimes causes them to make mistakes. But it's best those mistakes be worked out later rather than them standing around arguing with someone about their guilt or innocence when they could be off again trying to control sure nuff violent protesters. No one, not even self proclaimed bystanders have absolute rights in violent and dangerous protests they put themselves in when lives and property are on the line. I hate when anyone just watching gets pepper sprayed or manhandled and I've never been a fan of our police lookin' and actin' more like a military unit than a community police department. But I hate it even worse when a do nothing police department lets a crowd get out of control and a little pepper spray mistakenly sprayed in somebody's face pails in the face of whole neighborhoods and business districts bein' criminally burned to the ground and innocents bein' beat down by unruly masked violent protesters for no good reason. But when innocent people put themselves in the middle of violent protests they know stuff is subject to happen. And they should know when a protest starts to turn violent their rights change, even the innocent ones, and it's time for the truly innocent to use a little common sense and get off the street knowing what could happen to them. Normally, but not always though, it's not a protesters violent actions that get them pepper sprayed or arrested or punched or kicked in these runnin' street battles with police, it's the flappin' of their jaws and their refusal to follow police orders. You don't wanna be pepper sprayed or arrested during a protest turned violent? Then get off the street and go home to your family when the violence starts. That way you won't have to worry about being mistreated in a runnin' street battle with police. And as I remember it the police never chanted anything about owning the streets until after protesters did. But the protesters were wrong in their chant because they don't own the streets.The sidewalks maybe but the streets do indeed belong to the police as a matter of public safety and being able to guarantee the flow of emergency vehicles on their way to fires and hospitals. There's nothin' more American than a good protest. But there's nothin' much worse than one turned violent in front of a do nothing police department like what recently happened at Berkely and Charlottsville.

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Post #3  Post subject: Re: StLouis protests
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:18 pm 
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Post #4  Post subject: Re: StLouis protests
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:02 pm 
No Idea what that is. Your right WW we sure don't want a do nothing police force but there is a whole of leeway between doing nothing and stomping and beating up, arresting everybody you see on the street. What Im saying is the tactics sometimes makes things worse. There is a lot to be said about de escalating a situation. Like I say the protests are about the way police treat people, so what do they do? Treat people worse. Its starts at the very top, Trump speaking to police oranizations, telling them to basically rough people up. But that's coming from a man that thinks brain injuries are good for football players and women should be grabbed by their...um um...I wont say it.


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Post #5  Post subject: Re: StLouis protests
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:10 pm 
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Post #6  Post subject: Re: StLouis protests
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:16 pm 
By far the large majority of protesters are peaceful and lawful this go round thank goodness. its a few bad apples that are throwing rocks and over turning concrete planters that Line Washington Blvd there. Those are not protesters, those are vandals like you say looking for any reason to disrupt and damage stuff. Maybe its better they are out there doing it where maybe they can be caught and arrested as opposed to being back in the hood burglering someones house for their hard earned possesions :happy0035: If they weren't out there being bad they would be being bad someplace else.


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Post #7  Post subject: Re: StLouis protests
PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:28 am 
some good video footage of whats going down. several vids don't close after that first one...

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Post #8  Post subject: Re: StLouis protests
PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:29 am 
That post above, there is a interview with the Police officer that was aquitted. I wasn't at the trial so I don't know why the Judge ruled as he did. from transcripts and earlier news reports though I thought this one was cut a dried. The officers was accused of planting a gun also along with Murder. The gun recovered went to a crime lab. None of the suspects DNA was recovered from the gun but DNA was recovered belonging to the Police officer and here is the kicker. DNA of the police officer was recovered from the threads on the grip screws along with other internal parts of the gun. Splain that to the judge..well I guess he did, somehow. Cuz he walked out a free man.


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Post #9  Post subject: Re: StLouis protests
PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:06 am 
The Post-Dispatch reports that police also said there was a bag of heroin found in Smith’s car that had Smith’s DNA on it.
Assistant Circuit Attorney Aaron Levinson said in his opening statement of the trial in April that Stockley’s DNA was found under a screw in the revolver’s handle. Since Stockley wasn’t injured during the shooting, Levinson suggested that the DNA could have been put on the weapon before the events.
But Stockley’s attorney, Neil Bruntrager, dismissed the importance of his client’s DNA on the gun. Buntrager said Stockley needed to make sure the weapon was safe and that Stockley told his superior about seeing a silver revolver before he went into Smith’s car.

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3. Smith Was Out on Parole for Theft Charge At the Time of the Shooting


At the time of the shooting, Smith was out on parole for a theft charge related to a 2010 crime. Court records show that Smith’s record included convictions on drug distribution and unlawful possession of a firearm, according to the Associated Press.
In his decision, Judge Wilson claimed in his experience, “an urban heroin dealer not in possession of a firearm would be an anomaly.”

Wilson wrote that the state could not prove that Stockley planted the weapon.
“The gun was a full size revolver and not a small gun, such as a derringer, that can fit in the palm of one’s hand or into the side pocket of pants without being obvious,” Wilson wrote. “Stockley was not wearing a jacket; if he had such a gun in his possession it would have been visible on the cell phone video.”
Wilson continued, “The gun was too large to fit entirely within any of the pockets on the pants he was wearing, there was no bulge in any pocket indicating a gun within the pocket, and the gun would not have been visible if it was tucked into his belt.”

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Post #10  Post subject: Re: StLouis protests
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:53 am 
Hmmm the rest of the story.


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Post #11  Post subject: Re: StLouis protests
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:29 pm 
A Sudanese immigrant admitted to being the triggerman who killed one parishioner and seriously injured seven others Sunday at a Nashville-area church, according to a police affidavit ahead of his first court appearance.





Emanuel Kidega Samson, of La Vergne, told cops during an interview that he “fired upon the church building” after arriving there with a handgun, the Tennessean reported, citing the affidavit.

Samson, who was been charged with one count of murder and is likely to face other charges, will appear in Davidson County General Sessions court Wednesday and is being held at a county jail without bond.




His admission comes as police are searching for a motive for the shooting at the Burnette Chapel Church of Christ in Antioch. Samson, 25, purportedly posted several cryptic messages on his Facebook page in the days leading up to the attack.

Photos from a Facebook page under Samson's name seemed to show him lifting weights and showing off his physique, with the words "unrestricted paroxysm” underneath, meaning a sudden attack or violent expression of emotion, the Tennessean reported.

A post earlier Sunday read: "Everything you've ever doubted or made to be believe as false, is real. & vice versa, B." Another post read, "Become the creator instead of what's created. What you say, goes."



Police have not yet commented on the posts.

When he entered the church Sunday, Samson brought in a .40-caliber handgun and a 9mm handgun, according to the Tennessean. Police said during a press conference Monday that Samson also had an unloaded semi-automatic AR-15 rifle, as well as another handgun, but found no ammunition for the rifle.

Authorities said Samson was previously employed as a licensed unarmed security guard, and took a class on Friday to renew that license.

"The Memphis FBI Field Office's Nashville Resident Agency, the Civil Rights Division, and the US Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Tennessee have opened a civil rights investigation into the shooting at the Burnette Chapel Church of Christ in Antioch, Tennessee. The FBI will collect all available facts and evidence," FBI Memphis told Fox News on Sunday.

Witnesses told police that they heard gunshots from the church’s parking lot moments after Samson entered the building.

The pastor shouted "Run, run, gunshots!" and congregants hid under pews or in bathrooms, The Associated Press reported.

Burnette Chapel Church of Christ member Minerva Rosa said members were talking about the success of their yard sale the previous day when they heard gunshots. The church pastor, David Spann, 60, then shouted for everyone to run, according to a witness.

Samson entered the church from the back after fatally shooting a woman outside, police said. He then walked through the church silently, shooting six more people before an usher subdued him, police said. Police later recovered another pistol and a shotgun from the suspect's vehicle.

Rosa said the reading that day had been from Luke, Chapter 8, and she recalled the part about a woman who touched Jesus and was cured of bleeding.

By the end of the shooting, she was on her knees, her dress stained with blood, putting pressure on the gunshot wound in Pastor Spann's chest. She and others got on their phones to call 911.

Another church member, a 22-year-old usher named Robert Engle, tackled the gunman and suffered injuries when he was pistol whipped. In the struggle, the shooter shot himself, although it wasn't clear if it was on purpose or an accident. Engle retrieved his own gun from his car and held the man until police arrived, police said.

"He's amazing," Rosa told reporters about Engle. "Without him I think it could be worse. He was the hero today."

Church members told investigators Samson had attended services a year or two ago, said Don Aaron, a spokesman for the Metro Nashville Police Department.

The gunman pulled into the church's parking lot as services were ending. Melanie Smith, 39, of Smyrna, Tennessee, was killed when the shooter opened fire in the parking lot. Spann's wife, Peggy, 65, was also shot as well as William and Marlene Jenkins, 83 and 84 respectively, Linda Bush, 68, and Katherine Dickerson, 64. Police said none of the surviving victims suffered life-threatening injuries.

Dickerson was released from the hospital on Monday. The five other victims remained in the hospital.

Aaron called Engle "an extraordinarily brave individual."

But in a statement Engle said he did not want to be labeled a hero.

"The real heroes are the police, first responders and medical staff and doctors who have helped me and everyone affected." Engle asked for prayers for all those injured as well as the shooter.

Where are the protesters, where is the outrage, where are all the TV pundits proclaiming indignation???????


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Post #12  Post subject: Re: StLouis protests
PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:00 am 
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http://www.stlamerican.com/news/local_n ... ec6f8.html

If you ask me that's not a whole lot of money for one of the roughest jobs in one of the roughest cities in America. Some school teachers in that city make more. Most college professors make more and you can be sure all the football coaches around the state at big and small colleges make more. That's a small salary for a big responsibility and a big budget. You wonder why some cops turn bad and take grafts and under the table payments for stuff, they are underpaid and under appreciated.


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