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Post #1  Post subject: CWD Field Test For Hunters.....
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:24 pm 
According to the story in the link below, a test so hunters can check their own deer in the field may be in the works...

http://www.lsuagcenter.com/profiles/jmo ... 3021999292

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Post #2  Post subject: Re: CWD Field Test For Hunters.....
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:21 am 
This does not seem correct in that CWD and other spongiform diseases are not bacteria caused. Prions that cause the disease are abnormally folded proteins not bacteria. I think this needs further clarification before getting to excited.


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Post #3  Post subject: Re: CWD Field Test For Hunters.....
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I agree twodog. That's why I sent the researcher an email asking for a clarification.... :thumbup:

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Post #4  Post subject: Re: CWD Field Test For Hunters.....
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:40 am 
Be interesting to see if he responds


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Post #5  Post subject: Re: CWD Field Test For Hunters.....
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:15 am 
He responded to my inquiry this morning twodog. Here's his reply.


The truth is that prions are amyloid proteins that build up in the tissues of the CWD-affected deer. Amyloid proteins do not proliferate but can increase in amount biochemically. Bacteria can induce formation of these amyloid proteins. A professor at Yale has clearly shown that these amyloid proteins (prions) are not infectious.

My research shows that the cause of CWD is a tiny bacterium. We have now grown this bacterium in broth culture and on agar plates so we now can develop a diagnostic test. This will be very important for hunters since the deer shows at least a 10 month incubation period where the deer is infectious yet shows no clinical signs. There is no way that a hunter can recognize an infected deer until the last stages of the disease.

Frank O. Bastian MD

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Post #6  Post subject: Re: CWD Field Test For Hunters.....
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I did a quick search about amyloid proteins which are in a simple definition are abnormal proteins. They have been associated with many diseases as well as some normal functions. No where in my very brief reading did I see any mention of a bacterium causing this amyloid formation but then again when reading scientific papers like that I bore easily. I am not a research minded person.
I still think this guy is off track but will concede that if he wants to continue his research and subject his findings to a objective peer review as is proper I am all for him doing so. Maybe he is on to something. We will see I suppose.


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Post #7  Post subject: Re: CWD Field Test For Hunters.....
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:48 am 
In the meantime don't bet the family farm on him being right.

If he is right then conceivably he will have found the solution to Alzheimers, Creutzfeld Jacobs disease and CWD. He will be richer than Rockefeller and LSU will be the epicenter of research for decades.


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Post #8  Post subject: Re: CWD Field Test For Hunters.....
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twodog wrote:
I still think this guy is off track but will concede that if he wants to continue his research and subject his findings to a objective peer review as is proper I am all for him doing so. Maybe he is on to something. We will see I suppose.
I think he has been on this track for several years but has just recently been able to successfully grow the bacteria, which has apparently gotten the University of Alabama at Birmingham wanting to join his research. And with LSU being a credible university, except for their football team :happy0035: , and with him being the head of their animal science department, if he ever deems his research to be successful enough to submit to his peers for review he will no doubt submit it.... But as research goes he and those who decide to join his research could very well run into a total dead end before it reaches that point. All we can do is sit and hope that he, or someone else, will eventually stumble upon a way to combat these deadly diseases.

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Post #9  Post subject: Re: CWD Field Test For Hunters.....
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This is the first I'v seen about bacteria being the causal organism. Seems to me that if they are then there would have been a longer history of the disease. Then again other factors could have masked its presence. We are finding a lot of seemingly innocuous microbes have subtle but lasting long term effects. Thanks for putting this out here for us to see. Be something to watch


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Post #10  Post subject: Re: CWD Field Test For Hunters.....
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If and it at this time it is a HUGE if he is on to the real cause then there is hope for control and cure as bacteria can be killed unlike the prions. No matter what more than likely any positive action is years away.


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Post #11  Post subject: Re: CWD Field Test For Hunters.....
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:22 pm 
Way back in 2003 when I was thrown unwillingly into the CWD mess one thing I heard a lot was that researchers were excited about CWD because for the first time they could get tens of thousands of tissue samples for research purposes unlike other TSE samples that were a relative handful. The discussion centered on who owned the samples and what they might be worth. A lot of wild speculation went on back then. I do not think the monetary thing went to far. I wonder if the LSU guy has tapped this tissue source?


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