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Post #1  Post subject: Multi-Year No-Jake Harvest Research Project
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:45 pm 
Arkansas Game and Fish Commissioners in their monthly meeting today budgeted $375,500 from unobligated federal Wildlife Restoration grant funds to support a multi-year No-Jake Harvest Research Project and a budget increase of $44,200 for approved National Wild Turkey Federation Superfund projects to support turkey habitat projects around the state.

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Post #2  Post subject: Re: Multi-Year No-Jake Harvest Research Project
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:19 am 
Which means we've been bought out again........


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Post #3  Post subject: Re: Multi-Year No-Jake Harvest Research Project
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:59 pm 
Would be nice to actually see where the monies go. I mean be there to make sure it is used for the purpose intended.

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Post #4  Post subject: Re: Multi-Year No-Jake Harvest Research Project
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:57 pm 
I can't see near that much money needed if the study is done in-house, unless of course all the participants are gonna get a new truck and new computers and new smart phones and GPSs and maybe even a brand new leased office building for the study. Which actually is a real possibility considering the way Little Rock has operated ever since they started feeding on filet mignon and lobster at the public trough when the sales tax amendment just barely passed.... :smack:

But they'll probably pay the big bucks to some outside company or some college professor to conduct the study like they do some of their other studies, of which no telling how many they NEVER release to the public. I say never release to the public because short of filing a FOI request through the court, a few years ago I tried several times to get my hands on a study they outsourced to UAM back in 07 or 08 on the effect of the 3 point rule on antler quality here in Arkansas, but I was stonewalled every step of the way and never was allowed to see that study. All I can assume is that it must not have agreed with their personal antler farming agenda because if it had don't you know they woulda touted and published and plastered that thing all over the place, and would probably still be doin' it today....

So, if this new no Jake harvest study doesn't fit their turkey management strategy I personally won't be surprised if we never see or hear of the study or all that money again and they simply continue on with their no Jake rule in this late short turkey season they've so generously created out of the goodness of their hearts for all us peon turkey hunters....

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Post #5  Post subject: Re: Multi-Year No-Jake Harvest Research Project
PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:32 pm 
Don't see how it takes so much money to figure out that not shooting 1 year old birds will equal more 2 year old birds.....That's not the problem with our turkey population...Just like in family budgets, a little common sense can have much more affect than all the wild notions we could conjure up over years.


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Post #6  Post subject: Re: Multi-Year No-Jake Harvest Research Project
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:12 am 
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Don't see how it takes so much money to figure out that not shooting 1 year old birds will equal more 2 year old birds.....That's not the problem with our turkey population...Just like in family budgets, a little common sense can have much more affect than all the wild notions we could conjure up over years.


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Post #7  Post subject: Re: Multi-Year No-Jake Harvest Research Project
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:29 am 
I would think looking at past harvest records would give a lot of valuable information. A study of 1 to 2 year old toms mortality rate I assume is what we will be getting. The question is how in Sam Hills name will they try to gather that information.

The Jake regulation has never been that big of a deal to me. Most seasoned turkey hunters are not shooting Jakes anyway. The question is hunter opportunity. How many of the Jakes die anyway that a hunter might could have killed?


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Post #8  Post subject: Re: Multi-Year No-Jake Harvest Research Project
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:55 pm 
I've read several different states studies on gobbler kills and jakes vs two and three year olds......every one with the exemption of Arkansas say they were looking for a 50 - 60% reduction in male turkey population every spring with positive results and NOT burning the woods down in late march and april you have to do it in late december intot late february


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Post #9  Post subject: Re: Multi-Year No-Jake Harvest Research Project
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:08 am 
Just wonderin' how not killin' Jakes one year puts more turkeys in the woods the next year? So far it hasn't done didly squat to increase our turkey population. I'd think the jakes just simply replace all the 2 year olds that were killed the year before and preadtors probably get any that's left over. So how could they provide enough of a bump as 2 year olds to justify protectin' them?. Or could it be that G&F is just practicin' Quality Beard control.... :scratch: I say if a turkey gobbles, if it struts, and if it can be worked with a call then it should be legal meat for any hunter who wants to take it.....

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Post #10  Post subject: Re: Multi-Year No-Jake Harvest Research Project
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:02 pm 
Turkey farming?? :smile:

Maybe a 10" minimum beard to harvest??

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Post #11  Post subject: Re: Multi-Year No-Jake Harvest Research Project
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:53 pm 
There's already Antler Farming, I guess this can be Rope Growing... Oh well that's the world we live in. Bigger is Better, and tender is undesirable!! 20 years ago it really didn't matter, antlers were just wood shed decorations until someone wanted to make a knife handle. That's back when Misters were Misters and Madams were Madams and they joined together to make a family. The only time two guys slept near each other was at Deer Camp. :th_smilie_help.gif:


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